Hi, sander.
No, there is no translation in english. But I mean it's possible to precise some points tou want to examine with more precision.
Bravo pour ton français !
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Hello !
Thank you for your interest in the article we have written, Oriabel and I ...
Sorry for my English !! I'll try to explain why we had this conclusion.
It's quite simple in fact : we have studied the texts related to the fundation of the order, called the "statuts" ... a french author, Joseph Delaville le Roulx (who lived in 19th century), compiled them in a book : "cartulaire général de l'ordre des Hospitaliers de Saint Jean".
So we studied the original sources only, without connection with the Osprey.
In these text, it appears clearly that the "mantel" is the only item of the costume which symbolises the order. The lay receives it when he becomes a brother, and he is buried with it ... Only the "mantel" is cited ... never the robe, which seems to be a secondary item at the end of the XIIth century (the robe will become more important several centuries later). The white cross is cited to be on the "mantel" only ...
So we supposed that what we noticed was true for both "civilian brothers" and "military brothers" ... so why wearing a robe over a hauberk ...? It means nothing ...
The "mantel" symbolises the order and has to be worn in most of case (not during a battle however ... but during patrols or escorts for example), as "civilian brothers" do.
That's our hypothesis to make our costumes ... so far of the Osprey ...!
Is it clear enough ?
Thank you for your interest in the article we have written, Oriabel and I ...
Sorry for my English !! I'll try to explain why we had this conclusion.
It's quite simple in fact : we have studied the texts related to the fundation of the order, called the "statuts" ... a french author, Joseph Delaville le Roulx (who lived in 19th century), compiled them in a book : "cartulaire général de l'ordre des Hospitaliers de Saint Jean".
So we studied the original sources only, without connection with the Osprey.
In these text, it appears clearly that the "mantel" is the only item of the costume which symbolises the order. The lay receives it when he becomes a brother, and he is buried with it ... Only the "mantel" is cited ... never the robe, which seems to be a secondary item at the end of the XIIth century (the robe will become more important several centuries later). The white cross is cited to be on the "mantel" only ...
So we supposed that what we noticed was true for both "civilian brothers" and "military brothers" ... so why wearing a robe over a hauberk ...? It means nothing ...
The "mantel" symbolises the order and has to be worn in most of case (not during a battle however ... but during patrols or escorts for example), as "civilian brothers" do.
That's our hypothesis to make our costumes ... so far of the Osprey ...!
Is it clear enough ?
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